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How do you define bad poetry? Can a poet who writes bad poetry write a "good" poem?
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Re: What makes a poem "bad"?
Mon, October 27, 2008 - 8:29 AMWhile it may be possible for one single quality to save or destroy a poem, there are usually several factors that can be used in judging one poem to be better or worse than another.
The amateur bad poet tends to use longer and more unusual words as well as longer and more unusual sentence structures, under the mistaken assumptions that greater detail equals greater precision and that greater volume equals greater content.
The expert bad poet uses shorter, more common words and shorter, simpler sentence structures under the correct assumption this will make it easier to read and to understand.
Thus, when we read a bad poem by a professional bad poet, it is only clearer to us that the poem has nothing of value to say.
It's the difference between the monkey that throws shit at the wall and the monkey who throws shit at the ceiling.
The raw aesthetic of first monkey's work is more conspicuous, but the ultimate effect of the second monkey's work is more compelling. -
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Re: What makes a poem "bad"?
Wed, November 5, 2008 - 9:09 PMthere is such thing as a professional bad poet? Doesnt the word professional imply monetary income?
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Re: What makes a poem "bad"?
Mon, October 27, 2008 - 12:54 PM>How do you define bad poetry?
We don't define it, we embrace it. And alts too. We embrace those also.
>Can a poet who writes bad poetry write a "good" poem?
Can an alt that writes a bad question write a "good" question? -
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Re: What makes a poem "bad"?
Mon, October 27, 2008 - 8:39 PMThe poem with the most unintentional reference to masturbation wins. -
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Re: What makes a poem "bad"?
Tue, October 28, 2008 - 9:47 AM>unintentional
Aye, there's the rub.
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Re: What makes a poem "bad"?
Tue, October 28, 2008 - 11:08 AMDetentional, detensional--what's the difference? -
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Re: What makes a poem "bad"?
Tue, October 28, 2008 - 4:32 PMOne leads to the other. -
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Re: OT: Good or bad?
Wed, April 1, 2009 - 4:21 PMBad poetry? For me, and as someone who sees the work of students who write 'poetry', if it is clichéd, using the same metaphors/similes/imagery ideas as everyone else then there has to be something else that makes it stand out. Now meter is one of the other features of poetry, and when a poem is read aloud, while meter shouldn't stand to the forefront it should add to the meaning of a poem by how it sounds. Bad poetry jars, it doesn't flow — and, unless that is being used for effect, it probably isn't be
ing done well. -
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Re: OT: Good or bad?
Sat, April 4, 2009 - 2:50 PMBad poetry doesn't necessarily jar or flow.
It merely jars in such a way that it misses an even better opportunity to flow, or flows in such a way that it misses an even better opportunity to jar.
Bad poetry is both the surprise for the sake of surprise and the surprise that would redeem what proceeds it, but which never comes.
Bad poetry is the moderately shaggy dog that believes itself to be either shaggier or less shaggy than it is. -
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Re: OT: Good or bad?
Sat, April 4, 2009 - 3:32 PMAnd that's where the '70s lyrics come in... -
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Re: OT: Good or bad?
Sun, April 5, 2009 - 8:31 AM80's.
The Fixx is 1980's.
OTOH, I eventually came to consider the 'one thing leads to another' title possibly not unrelated to the much earlier opera 'Wozzeck',
in which the phrase (or its equivalent) makes numerous appearances.
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